Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/29/1995 08:20 AM Senate FIN

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                             MINUTES                                           
                          JOINT MEETING                                        
               HOUSE AND SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEES                             
                         March 29, 1995                                        
                            8:20 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-95, #25, Side 1 (000-end)                                                
  SFC-95, #25, Side 2 (575-135)                                                
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Representative  Mark  Hanley,  Co-chairman,   House  Finance                 
  Committee convened  the Joint  Meeting of  House and  Senate                 
  Finance Committees at approximately 8:20 a.m., in the Senate                 
  Finance  Committee  Room,  State  Capital Building,  Juneau,                 
  Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  In  addition to  Representative  Hanley, Senators  Phillips,                 
  Sharp, and  Zharoff were  present.   Senator Rieger  arrived                 
  soon after the meeting began.                                                
                                                                               
  ALSO  ATTENDING:   Senator  Torgerson;  Senator  Green; Mike                 
  Greany,  Director, Legislative  Finance  Division; aides  to                 
  committee members and  other members of the  legislature and                 
  representatives of the press.                                                
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
                                                                               
              Cambridge Energy Research Associates                             
     Presentation on Oil Pricing and Production Forecasting                    
                      by Ann-Louise Hittle                                     
                                                                               
  Upon convening  the meeting, Representative  Hanley welcomed                 
  Ann-Louise  Hittle,  Director, World  Oil,  Cambridge Energy                 
  Research Associates, to committee.  Ms. Hittle advised that,                 
  as agency  director of world  oil, she heads  the consulting                 
  business on "the crude oil side,"  including crude oil price                 
  forecasting.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Directing attention to  her handout (copy  on file in  House                 
  and  Senate  Finance  Committee minute  books),  Ms.  Hittle                 
  advised that her presentation would cover:                                   
                                                                               
       1.   The oil outlook through 1996                                       
       2.   Demand/supply.  (Non-OPEC supplies and OPEC                        
                 production and politics)                                      
  .    3.   Oil price outlook                                                  
       4.   Crude quality differentials                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
       5.   Exploration and productive capacity outlook with                   
                 specific reference to Alaska                                  
       6.   Longer-term price forecasting                                      
                                                                               
  The price outlook is "a little bit more supportive, a little                 
  bit more positive"  than outlooks in  recent years.  For  FY                 
  95, it appears ANS  will average "about $16.50."   The price                 
  for FY 96  is expected to be  $16.70.  The positive  news is                 
  that the  price is  not going  down but  remaining within  a                 
  steady  range.   The market  in recent  weeks  has indicated                 
  ability to retain levels gained in the last year.                            
                                                                               
  A snapshot of the market indicates more of the same.  Demand                 
  is rising at  about the same rate as  last year (this year's                 
  rate is 1.3%).   Non-OPEC production  is up again, and  OPEC                 
  has continued the same  quota (24.52) and is producing  at a                 
  level  the market  can  tolerate.   The market  continues to                 
  await a signal on oil  exports from Iraq.  Saudi Arabia  and                 
  OPEC are relying on the market to set the price.  In effect,                 
  they are waiting  for demand to absorb  production increases                 
  that have occurred over the last few years.                                  
                                                                               
  Speaking  to  demand, Ms.  Hittle  advised that  the driving                 
  force is the world economy.   She directed attention to page                 
  3  of  her  handout and  noted  that  the  world economy  is                 
  presently in a strong economic convergence.  For  1995, that                 
  results  in demand growth, on an annual calendar year basis,                 
  of 0.9 to  1.1.  Cambridge is estimating a  demand growth of                 
  0.9 mbd's (900,000 barrels  a day) for calendar 1995.   Next                 
  year,  the range is  expected to be  1.3 to 1.4  mbd's.  The                 
  driving  force in  demand  is  the  Far East  where  growth,                 
  excluding China, is  expected to be 6% in 1995.  Demand will                 
  grow 3% in the Middle East,  Latin America, and other areas.                 
  There will be a  marginal increase in North America,  but it                 
  will not  be as much  as that  caused by  cold weather  last                 
  year.    On  a yearly basis,  demand was  down in  the first                 
  quarter.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Ms. Hittle directed attention  to page 4 of her  handout and                 
  explained that  steep declines  in the  former Soviet  Union                 
  (FSU) have hidden sharp  increases in demand in other  areas                 
  of the world.  The rate of decline in the FSU has started to                 
  trail off and is now not so steep.  Between 1994 and 1995, a                 
  decline of 330,000 barrels a day is expected.  As decline is                 
  reduced,  the impact of demand increases in other regions is                 
  felt in the market.                                                          
                                                                               
  Ms.  Hittle next advised  that non-OPEC supply  has become a                 
  dominant market feature.  Page 4 of the handout demonstrates                 
  the rebound  in non-OPEC  supply over  the  last few  years,                 
  driven by increases  in the North  Sea, the Far East,  Latin                 
  America, etc.   While prices  have fallen  every year  since                 
  1990, output  has increased since  1993.  That  reflects the                 
  impact  of  technology  reducing  the  cost of  finding  and                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  developing  oil.   As  an  example, Ms.  Hittle  remarked on                 
  development of the West of Shetlands  field in the North Sea                 
  for less than $5.00  per barrel.   Low oil prices have  also                 
  caused  countries that  previously  were closed  to  foreign                 
  exploration efforts to  change their rules  and "take . .  .                 
  economics over politics."   It  is now possible  to go  into                 
  Algeria.   As a  result there has  been a  sharp increase in                 
  Algerian reserves, and  there will be increases  in Algerian                 
  production.    This  is  also  occurring in  Latin  America.                 
  Further, due to  low oil prices, exploration  and production                 
  companies  are  streamlining  and  using  "partnering"   and                 
  alliances  to  overcome  operating  costs  in a  low-  price                 
  environment.  Ms. Hittle cited BP as an example of a company                 
  that  has worked  effectively, over  the last few  years, to                 
  overcome problems in  that environment.   Increases in  non-                 
  OPEC  supply  result   from  a  surge  in   exploration  and                 
  production.                                                                  
                                                                               
  The precedent  of economics  over politics  makes the  world                 
  more  competitive  for  producers who  are  trying  to focus                 
  exploration  and production work  in their own  areas.  That                 
  has relevance for  Alaska.  Ms. Hittle  noted liberalization                 
  of terms in Vietnam  and other areas where it is  now easier                 
  to explore.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Directing attention  to the graphics  on page 6,  Ms. Hittle                 
  noted that the  biggest increases  in non-OPEC supply,  over                 
  the last few years, have come from the North Sea (Norway and                 
  the U.K.).                                                                   
                                                                               
  The  graphic  on page  7  evidences that  despite  the sharp                 
  decline in production in the FSU  in the last few years  (as                 
  well as the sharp  decline in demand), exports to  the world                 
  oil  market  have remained  "pretty much  steady."   Even in                 
  1997, when  it is expected  that FSU production  will bottom                 
  out at 6.4 million  barrels a day (compared to  the previous                 
  level  of  12  million  barrels  a day),  Cambridge  expects                 
  exports to remain steady  at the 2.2 mbd  level.  While  one                 
  would think that decline in FSU production would support oil                 
  prices, it has  not because of  the fact that "They've  kept                 
  exports up."                                                                 
                                                                               
  Senator Phillips asked  if the recent  Soviet oil spill  and                 
  transportation   problems   within   the  country   impacted                 
  projections.  Ms.  Hittle acknowledged that it  is difficult                 
  to move oil  around the FSU.   That has  caused the flow  of                 
  exports  to  be "very  erratic"   and  has had  a short-term                 
  effect  on  the market.    Last  fall, oil  coming  into the                 
  Mediterranean was erratic,  and prices in  that part of  the                 
  world went up, with  some spill-over effect.  Despite  those                 
  surges  on an  annual,  average basis,  the  FSU is  keeping                 
  exports   level.      Responding   to   concerns   regarding                 
  transportation  and  the  condition  of  FSU  pipelines, Ms.                 
  Hittle  advised that Cambridge "is not really bullish on the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  former Soviet Union."                                                        
                                                                               
  The  graphic  on  page  8  relates  to OPEC  production  and                 
  politics  and attempts  to  present OPEC's  hidden strategy.                 
  This is  important to the market because, since September of                 
  1993, OPEC  has kept its  quota flat  at 24.52.   That quota                 
  will have been in effect for more  than two years at the end                 
  of this year.   Demand  has increased (last  year 1  million                 
  barrels   a  day,  this  year  900,000)  while    OPEC  held                 
  production steady within  a range slightly above  the quota.                 
  That has had two impacts on the market:                                      
                                                                               
       1.   It has caused the role of swing supplier to fall                   
            off from OPEC.   "It's now much more the  industry                 
  and       inventories."                                                      
                                                                               
       2.   The role of inventories is more important.                         
                                                                               
  In the event  of a cold  winter in the  first quarter and  a                 
  large draw on inventories, the surge in needed supply is not                 
  going to come  from OPEC.   It will  come from  inventories.                 
  That can be a supportive feature.   It is one of the reasons                 
  the  market  is experiencing  stable  prices at  the present                 
  time.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Referencing  page  9,  Ms. Hittle  explained  that  OPEC has                 
  created a  "margin of  tolerance."  Although  the quota  has                 
  remained flat  at 24.52  since the  fourth quarter of  1993,                 
  because demand has increased, there  is market tolerance for                 
  OPEC's  overproduction.    At  the  present  time,  OPEC  is                 
  producing at  25.1.  That overproduction is  welcomed by the                 
  market.   It is  not a price  depressant.  Three  years ago,                 
  OPEC would have set the quota  at a level that was "probably                 
  a  little  bit above  demand."   If OPEC  overproduced, that                 
  would  have a price depressing impact.   Because the present                 
  quota is set below demand, when the cartel overproduces, the                 
  market tolerates it.  The graph on page 9 provides signposts                 
  on "where OPEC  can produce."   If production in the  fourth                 
  quarter of 1995 starts to inch  above 25.3, a lower price is                 
  expected.  Similarly,  in the second  and third quarter,  if                 
  production  increases  above 25.1,  that  will have  a price                 
  depressing effect.  It could be as much as $0.25 to  $0.50 a                 
  barrel, on a quarterly average basis.                                        
                                                                               
  Senator   Rieger  suggested   that   the  present   scenario                 
  (particularly in the case of Saudi Arabia) is different from                 
  the past where  Saudi production went  up and down to  match                 
  swings in demand from season to season or to negate cheating                 
  by  other  OPEC members.   It  now  appears that  instead of                 
  varying OPEC production  to meet changes in  demand, holding                 
  constant is a  source of  stability.  In  the past,  holding                 
  constant was the source of volatility  in price.  Ms. Hittle                 
  said  that she  did  not mean  to  imply there  would  be no                 
  volatility in the price.   The current OPEC approach,  on an                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  average  basis, is  price supportive.   There  can  still be                 
  volatility  because  of reliance  on  inventories.   A price                 
  spike could occur in the event of cold weather in the  first                 
  quarter, because Saudi Arabia will not be there to surge and                 
  meet  that demand.   Overall,  however, the impact  has been                 
  price supportive.   It has had  a positive effect on  market                 
  psychology  and  has generally  tended  to help  keep prices                 
  firmer than they  might have been.   OPEC is  no longer  the                 
  swing supplier in the market.                                                
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger inquired concerning Saudi Arabia's production                 
  in terms of overall  OPEC production.  Ms. Hittle  said that                 
  Saudi production is at 8 million barrels a day.  It has been                 
  steady at that  amount since the  quota went into effect  in                 
  September of  1993.   The Saudis  intend to  keep production                 
  level.  They are,  in effect, waiting for demand  and prices                 
  to increase.  Because of the  surge in non-OPEC supply, even                 
  though OPEC has  adhered to its  quotas and has not  cheated                 
  much, prices have not gone up much.                                          
                                                                               
  Directing attention  to  the graph  on page  10, Ms.  Hittle                 
  explained that  it demonstrates  OPEC's change in  strategy.                 
  In the pre-1995 market,  it was the high priced  team (Iran,                 
  Algeria, Nigeria)  versus the  volume capacity  reality team                 
  (Saudi Arabia).  The post-1995 scenario shows OPEC acting as                 
  a  group   in  a   standoff  against   non-OPEC  production.                 
  Necessity has caused OPEC to take that stand.  If the cartel                 
  increases its quota and fights for market share against non-                 
  OPEC countries, prices  will fall.  OPEC  cannot afford that                 
  because   member  countries   are   under  extreme   revenue                 
  pressures.                                                                   
                                                                               
  The graphic on page 11, presents  a picture of the impact of                 
  production or lack  of production  from Iraq.   If oil  from                 
  Iraq enters the market, OPEC capacity utilization would fall                 
  to 83%.   If Iraq is not in  the market, the OPEC percentage                 
  is 87.3.   The message is  that even if  Iraq does not  come                 
  into the market  this year or next,  capacity utilization in                 
  OPEC will not  be that tight.   The big surge in  prices one                 
  might expect will not occur  if Iraq does not come into  the                 
  market.  Conversely, if Iraq  enters the market, utilization                 
  will fall off but not as sharply as one might expect.                        
                                                                               
  Ms. Hittle voiced  her belief  that entry to  the market  by                 
  Iraq would have "about  a $2 a barrel lowering effect,  on a                 
  quarterly basis,  on price."   By  the second quarter  after                 
  start up,  price recovery  would be  underway.   Speaking to                 
  sanctions against  Iraq, Ms.  Hittle told  members that  the                 
  United  States  has  succeeded  in  reinforcing  a  majority                 
  security council commitment to minimum core requirements:                    
                                                                               
       1.   Iraq must meet requirements on weapons of mass                     
            destruction.  This is particular to biological                     
            weapons.  It includes releasing some suppliers and                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
            ensuring that  the monitoring  process is  working                 
            smoothly.                                                          
                                                                               
       2.   Iraq must account for missing Kuwaities.                           
                                                                               
       3.   Iraq must return seized equipment taken during the                 
            invasion of Kuwait.                                                
                                                                               
  Sanctions  cannot be lifted  until minimum  requirements are                 
  met.  At  an April 10 meeting  of the security  council, the                 
  head of  the U.N. special  commission will report  on Iraq's                 
  adherence to weapons  of mass  destruction.  Although  there                 
  may be much talk  in the press regarding the  sanctions, Ms.                 
  Hittle  reiterated  that  they cannot  be  lifted  until the                 
  foregoing requirements are met.                                              
                                                                               
  In  addition to  the  foregoing, the  United States  has two                 
  broader requirements:                                                        
                                                                               
       1.   It   would  like   Iraq  to  prove   its  peaceful                 
  intentions in       the area.                                                
                                                                               
       2.   It would like Iraq to  observe human rights within                 
  Iraq.                                                                        
  Acceptance of  these broader requirements,  by the  security                 
  council, is not "very extensive."                                            
                                                                               
  By July, Iraq  will have  had time to  address minimal  core                 
  requirements.  Hypothetically,  if all  goes well, and  Iraq                 
  cooperates on the  above three items, extensive  debate will                 
  occur on whether or  not sanctions should be lifted.   Given                 
  the right  circumstances it  is possible,  but not  assured,                 
  that  by  the end  of  1995  there  could  be some  sort  of                 
  compromise   measure  that  would  take  into  account  U.S.                 
  concerns.   The foregoing assumes that  Iraq has met minimum                 
  requirements.  Oil from  Iraq could reach the market  by the                 
  end of  1995.  That is,  however, with many  "ifs, ands, and                 
  buts."  The signpost  to watch is Iraqi progress  in meeting                 
  minimum requirements.                                                        
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger asked if the threat  of Iraq's reentry to the                 
  market  had  already  depressed  oil  prices.    Ms.  Hittle                 
  responded affirmatively.   Actual  reentry would engender  a                 
  short-term reaction to inflow of 1  million barrels a day to                 
  the market.   The actual  start up is  factored into  price.                 
  That happened in  the summer  of 1993.   Actual inflow  will                 
  cause a surge,  but it will not  be as extensive as  in 1993                 
  when prices lost $3 to $4 a barrel.  Fear of Iraq production                 
  which arose in the summer and fall  of 1993 has not yet been                 
  completely worked  out of  the market.   It  remains in  the                 
  price.  Impact from actual Iraq entry to  the market will be                 
  "a lot more short term and less  of a reaction than we would                 
  have had otherwise."                                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Directing attention to the triangle graph  on page 12 of the                 
  handout,  Ms.  Hittle  said it  represents  the  triangle of                 
  competition for market share that will occur when Iraq comes                 
  on  line.   She  stressed  that  when Iraqi  oil  enters the                 
  market,  two other  components  are going  to  be vying  for                 
  market share in addition to ongoing non-OPEC production:                     
                                                                               
       1.   OPEC oil.                                                          
       2.   World inventory patterns.                                          
                                                                               
  If,  in July,  it appears  that sanctions  might be  lifted,                 
  market participants will start to draw on inventories.  They                 
  will anticipate that once oil from  Iraq starts to flow, the                 
  price will fall,  there will be much oil  on the market, and                 
  inventories  purchased  at  a  higher  price will  become  a                 
  detriment.   Companies will  thus draw  on inventories  even                 
  before Iraqi oil starts to flow.  That is something to watch                 
  for.   If it  occurs, it will  diminish the  impact when oil                 
  from Iraq actually begins to flow, since inventories will be                 
  lower.  The price effect could thus occur before export from                 
  Iraq begins.                                                                 
                                                                               
  The graphic  on page 13,  provides an additional  picture of                 
  the previous dynamic.  Assuming oil from Iraq starts to flow                 
  in 1996, there  will be a  1.3 to 1.4  million barrel a  day                 
  increase in demand in that  year.  The threat to  price from                 
  non-OPEC will be  0.4.  Inventories and OPEC  production are                 
  also part of the equation.                                                   
                                                                               
  Ms. Hittle directed attention to the  graphic on page 14 and                 
  advised that  it demonstrates  what non-OPEC  production has                 
  done to the  market.  It has  pulled the rug out  from under                 
  what should be  strong prices  because of strong  economics,                 
  good demand growth,  and steady OPEC  production.  The  fact                 
  that the  price is not  where it  should be  is evidence  of                 
  increases in non-OPEC  production.   However, in 1996,  non-                 
  OPEC supply  will only  increase 0.4.   There  will thus  be                 
  "somewhat of  a tailing  off of  that trend."   The  graphic                 
  demonstrates the quandary presently facing OPEC.  The cartel                 
  has little choice.  If it increases its quota to gain market                 
  share from  non-OPEC producers,  the result  will be  weaker                 
  prices,  and  market  psychology will  turn  negative.   Ms.                 
  Hittle  stressed that  market  psychology  is  an  extremely                 
  important factor.  She reiterated that  in the fall of 1993,                 
  market  psychology was expecting Iraqi oil to start to flow.                 
  That  is the  reason  prices fell  so sharply.   It  was not                 
  fundamentals  but  market psychology.    If OPEC  raises its                 
  quota, market psychology  will turn negative.   Concern will                 
  be that if OPEC  has increased its quota,  how will it  deal                 
  with Iraq  when Iraq commences  production.  A  higher quota                 
  when Iraqi oil  begins to  flow means a  battle within  OPEC                 
  when it attempts to cut the quota.  Fear of OPEC in disarray                 
  will undermine psychology.                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  If the OPEC quota remains flat, the cartel will be in a much                 
  better  position  to  deal  with  start  up in  Iraq.    The                 
  Cambridge assessment is that if OPEC remains  at the current                 
  quota  of 24.52  when Iraq begins  production, the  most the                 
  cartel will do  is pull  current overproduction back  toward                 
  the actual quota.  It is not anticipated that OPEC will move                 
  to cut  its quota  below 24.52  to accommodate  Iraq.   With                 
  increases in demand, return to the actual OPEC  quota should                 
  be enough.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Ms.  Hittle explained  that oil  prices increased  $3 to  $4                 
  dollars a barrel in  the spring of 1994 (even  though demand                 
  usually falls a million barrels a  day between the first and                 
  second  quarter  because  of  reductions in  winter  heating                 
  demands) as a result of  the new price seasonality.   In the                 
  old world market, prices would have  been weak and strong in                 
  the fourth quarter.   In the new market, growing  demand and                 
  lack of Iraqi production, have produced a feeling that there                 
  may not be a sufficient supply of oil in the fourth quarter.                 
  There  is  thus a  tendency  to  "do a  lot  of anticipatory                 
  buying" in the first and second quarter.  That is supporting                 
  prices  in  the latter.    In  the fourth  quarter,  when it                 
  becomes evident that  supplies are adequate, prices  tend to                 
  weaken.  That is reflected in the ANS price outlook (p. 16).                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  In response to  a question  from Senator Phillips  regarding                 
  lack  of  a  price  increase  during  fourth-quarter  winter                 
  months, Ms. Hittle said that in  the fourth quarter of 1993,                 
  when the  winter was  extremely cold,  prices hit  a low  in                 
  January.    That was  because  non-OPEC supply  increased by                 
  700,000  barrels a  day from  the North  Sea.  The  surge in                 
  supply caused prices to fall off,  despite the weather.  The                 
  North Sea remains a factor in the market today.                              
                                                                               
  Referencing the graph on page 16, Ms. Hittle highlighted the                 
  following ANS prices:                                                        
                                                                               
       Third quarter       -         An average of $16.81                      
       Fourth quarter      -         Steady prices at $16.75                   
                                                                               
  A Factor contributing  to the foregoing prices  is no repeat                 
  in  the  spring  price  increase  (new  seasonality).    The                 
  greatest  effect  from the  new  seasonality, in  the second                 
  quarter of this year,  will be that prices are not  going to                 
  go down.  They will remain steady.   While they could go up,                 
  the picture at  this time anticipates that  they will remain                 
  steady.  There is  no anticipated repeat of the  steep price                 
  increase of a year ago because:                                              
                                                                               
       1.   The market is not as "oversold"  as last year.  It                 
  was       oversold in the futures market  and had plunged to                 
            lows by March.  The market  is $3 dollars a barrel                 
            higher and thus not in an oversold status.                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
       2.   No OPEC meeting is planned for the second quarter.                 
  There          will thus be no surprise from the  cartel.  A                 
                 year  ago,  OPEC  provided  impetus  for  the                 
                 change in market psychology when it  extended                 
                 its quota through the end of the year.                        
                                                                               
       3.   There will be a larger stock supply in  the fourth                 
  quarter        consisting  of  "a  1.6  mbd  build."    That                 
                 compares to stocks of 1.4 last year.                          
                                                                               
       4.   There is  no whiplash effect anticipated  from the                 
  Iraq           factor.      A  year   ago,  there  was  much                 
                 expectation that Iraq would be in the market.                 
                 In  the spring  that  expectation started  to                 
                 fade.  That is one of the reasons prices "ran                 
                 up."  Currently there is no such expectation.                 
                 Iraq  is  "kind of  a  neutral factor  in the                 
                 market."                                                      
                                                                               
  Ms. Hittle set forth the following prices for 1996:                          
                                                                               
       First quarter            -         $16.25,   reflecting                 
  the                                                                          
                                          cumulative  build in                 
                                          stocks:  1.6 in  the                 
                                          fourth  quarter  and                 
                                          1.3 in the first.                    
                                                                               
       Second quarter           -         $16.75,   based   on                 
  increase                                                                     
                                          in  demand   in  the                 
                                          fall and winter.   A                 
                                          2.1% demand increase                 
                                          is   projected,  and                 
                                          non-OPEC supply will                 
                                          be increasing at its                 
                                          lowest rate.                         
                                                                               
  In the second half of calendar  year 1996, the assessment is                 
  that  OPEC  could again  roll  over  its quota.    That will                 
  provide a good psychological boost to  price.  It is further                 
  assumed that at that point Iraqi exports have not started.                   
                                                                               
  Ms.  Hittle next spoke  to factors and  signposts that could                 
  cause variations:                                                            
                                                                               
       1.   If OPEC  produces beyond market  tolerance, prices                 
  will                                                                         
            be lower  than expected  by $0.25  to  $0.50 on  a                 
            quarterly basis.                                                   
                                                                               
       2.   Conversely,   if   OPEC   produces  below   market                 
  tolerance--                                                                  
                                                                               
                                                                               
            production is maintained at  25.0 to 25.1  through                 
            the end of the year--prices will  be approximately                 
            $0.50 a barrel  stronger than expected.   It would                 
            not be unreasonable for OPEC to take this approach                 
            because of  problems with capacity in  Nigeria and                 
            Iran.                                                              
                                                                               
       3.   The demand pull  from Asia  which has caused  much                 
  crude                                                                        
            oil to move into that part  of the world.  A  much                 
            warmer summer  than usual would  help keep  prices                 
            stronger than they might otherwise be.                             
                                                                               
       4.   A downward pull could be exerted if discussions in                 
  the                                                                          
            U.N. security council start to look  favorable for                 
            commencement of Iraqi exports.                                     
                                                                               
       5.   Higher exports in  the former Soviet Union.   That                 
  would          have a downward impact on prices.                             
                                                                               
  Directing attention to  page 19 of  the handout, Ms.  Hittle                 
  referenced the "triangle of price  determination"  and noted                 
  that the graph highlights factors to  look for.  She advised                 
  that three components form the price of oil:                                 
                                                                               
       1.   Physical fundamentals--supply and demand.                          
       2.   Market psychology                                                  
       3.   The effect of technical indicators in the market.                  
                                                                               
  Ms.  Hittle  next spoke  to  technical indicators  and their                 
  impact on price.  At the  present time, managed future funds                 
  which have played an active role in forming the price of oil                 
  futures are a  neutral factor in  the market.   A year  ago,                 
  investors  were buying crude oil futures  as a hedge against                 
  fears of inflation.   These funds are now  buying moderately                 
  and not  having an impact on  price.  If  fears of inflation                 
  recede, managed futures funds could start to pull out of the                 
  crude oil futures  market.  If they  all did so at  the same                 
  time,  that  could   have  a   downward  impact  on   price.                 
  Conversely, fund managers are aware  that demand is supposed                 
  to be increasing, so they have tended to buy.  They are also                 
  anticipating  there  will be  the typical  spring run  up in                 
  price.  Their effect is to  strengthen the volatility in the                 
  market.  If the market is  moving in a particular direction,                 
  they  strengthen  movement  up or  down.    These indicators                 
  should be monitored.  Fears of  inflation or a psychology in                 
  the market pro  or con Iraq  may cause technical players  to                 
  take  that and "run with it and  increase the move either up                 
  or down."                                                                    
                                                                               
  Referencing the  signposts graphic  on page  20, Ms.  Hittle                 
  advised  that in tracking oil on  a month-to-month basis the                 
  signposts would provide a guide on how prices will move.  In                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  response  to  a  question from  Senator  Rieger,  Ms. Hittle                 
  explained that although  the effect on demand  or supply may                 
  force  the price into  the foul  or out-of-bounds  realm, it                 
  tends to  come back into the playing field.  While the graph                 
  cites the  OPEC basket,  "it's really  almost virtually  the                 
  same, at this point, for ANS."                                               
                                                                               
  Ms.   Hittle   noted   the  importance   of   crude  quality                 
  differentials on  the price of  ANS oil.   ANS has been  and                 
  will  continue  to  increase  in  value relative  to  higher                 
  quality crudes.  She directed attention to the ANS Minus WTI                 
  graph on  page 25  of the  handout.   WTI is  a much  higher                 
  quality crude than  ANS, but  the differential has  narrowed                 
  dramatically  in  the last  year.   The  same trend  is more                 
  sharply evident in  the next graph entitled  "ANS Minus OPEC                 
  Basket."  In 1994, the differential averaged -$0.23 compared                 
  to  -$1.76  in 1991.   The  graph  entitled "ANS  Minus Kern                 
  River"  (a heavy  California crude)  shows  that a  crude of                 
  lower quality than ANS is gaining in value.                                  
                                                                               
  The increase in  value is long-term rather  than short-term.                 
  While differentials  may not grow narrower, the  trend is in                 
  place "at least through the end of the decade."  Reasons for                 
  the narrowing include:                                                       
                                                                               
       1.   Technological   evolution.      Technology  allows                 
  refiners                                                                     
            to  create  a greater  quantity  of  more valuable                 
            products  from  lower  quality crudes  at  a lower                 
            cost.                                                              
                                                                               
  End:      SFC-95, #25, Side 1                                                
  Begin:    SFC-95, #25, Side 2                                                
                                                                               
       2.   Economies  of  scale.    There  is a  tendency  by                 
  refiners to         build a larger unit than needed with the                 
                      result  that  there  is  more  upgrading                 
                      capacity than needed.                                    
                                                                               
       3.   The changing product  demand barrel.  The  tilt is                 
  very                                                                         
            much toward a  growing share of light  products in                 
            the  total product  demand  barrel.    That  means                 
            refiners need more upgrading capacity.                             
                                                                               
       4.   Environmental  regulations.    These require  that                 
  refiners                                                                     
            invest  in refinery upgrading capacity even if the                 
            differential  in  price  between high-quality  and                 
            low-quality crude does not justify it.                             
                                                                               
  The upshot of  the above  four factors means  there is  more                 
  demand for low-quality crudes to  run in upgrading capacity,                 
  and there is less demand for high-quality crudes.  The price                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  of high-quality crudes has  thus been relatively  depressed.                 
  And, the  price of  lower-quality crudes,  such as  ANS, has                 
  been increasing.   That  is one  of the  reasons behind  the                 
  strength in ANS, in  the last year, compared to  other crude                 
  oil.                                                                         
                                                                               
  On  a  short-term   basis,  there   is  volatility  in   the                 
  differentials.    Referencing page  23  of the  handout, Ms.                 
  Hittle directed attention to equilibrium differentials.  She                 
  explained that a surge in North  Sea light crude would cause                 
  differentials to  fall lower  than they  might normally  be.                 
  Overall, the  range is  expected to  remain narrow,  despite                 
  volatility.  Even  the start of  Iraq with its heavy,  sour,                 
  low-quality crude will not set the  trend aside.  There will                 
  be a short-time  widening in  the differential between  high                 
  and low-quality crude oil, but over  the medium term it will                 
  revert  back to narrow differentials.   This is positive for                 
  ANS in terms of its pricing against other quality crudes and                 
  its use in refinery upgrading units.                                         
                                                                               
  Ms. Hittle directed attention to page  24 of the handout and                 
  explained that  even though the quality of  the crude drives                 
  the differential between high and low-quality oil, the world                 
  crude  oil quality  is  not going  to  change.   It has  not                 
  changed over  the last  few years, and  it is  not going  to                 
  change,  on  average,   through  the  end  of   the  decade.                 
  Refinery-related  issues   are  driving  the   narrowing  of                 
  differentials.   In reviewing  the world  average total,  in                 
  1997 the average  API for crude is 32.37.  In the year 2000,                 
  it is 32.32.   That means  that, on average,  the crude  oil                 
  supply  in  the world  has  improved.   This  is  counter to                 
  industry conventional wisdom.   That  is why Cambridge  does                 
  not  believe  that  crude oil  quality,  on  the longer-term                 
  basis, will be what drives the differential.  The issue will                 
  be refining upgrading and factors  that create more refinery                 
  upgrading such as environmental rules and regulations.                       
                                                                               
  Ms.  Hittle  next   spoke  to  trends  in   exploration  and                 
  production and productive  capacity.   She noted a  general,                 
  strategic shift on  the part  of exploration and  production                 
  companies  toward  exploration for  gas  as opposed  to oil.                 
  Efforts   are  particularly   focused   on  involvement   in                 
  expansions and grass-root LNG projects in  order to meet the                 
  expected surge in gas demand.  Much of the focus is in Latin                 
  America and Southeast Asia.                                                  
                                                                               
  The  next  graph  points   to  exploration  and  development                 
  hotspots   worldwide.    The  strategy  of  exploration  and                 
  production companies is  to focus on core  areas--areas they                 
  have been in for a long time and in which they have expended                 
  substantial dollars.  Indicators are that Alaska is becoming                 
  a core  area for  BP.   Core areas  are differentiated  from                 
  hotspots.  Hotspots  are areas where companies  are building                 
  up their engagements.   As an example, Ms. Hittle  cited the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  "flexure trend" in the Gulf of Mexico, the West of Shetlands                 
  in the North Sea, the Timor  Gap in Southeast Asia, Vietnam,                 
  Algeria, Colombia,  and  the East  of  Andes area  in  Latin                 
  America.  Another strategic effort for companies is to  move                 
  into "frontier, high-risk areas."   These include the former                 
  Soviet Union, China, Iraq, and offshore West Africa.                         
                                                                               
  Speaking to productive capacity, Ms. Hittle advised that she                 
  would address:                                                               
                                                                               
       1.   World liquid capacity                                              
       2.   U.S. crude and condensate                                          
       3.   Alaska and North Slope production                                  
                                                                               
  She  explained  that  "producibility"  is  the  capacity  to                 
  produce rather than the actual  production rate.  Components                 
  of producibility are:                                                        
                                                                               
       1.   Existing production which  has a built-in  decline                 
  rate by        definition.   The only adjustment that can be                 
                 made  in  that  rate  is  the effect  of  new                 
                 technology.                                                   
                                                                               
       2.   Recent significant discoveries.  Cambridge follows                 
  new       discoveries very closely and  attempts to estimate                 
            lead time prior to producibility or production.                    
                                                                               
       3.   Future  discoveries.   This  is  the  largest wild                 
  card.                                                                        
            Assessment  of future discoveries  is based  on an                 
            overall  view  of  the  pace  of  exploration  and                 
            production activity.                                               
                                                                               
  Assessment indicates that, despite low  oil prices, there is                 
  much exploration and production activity.  Cambridge is thus                 
  optimistic  in its view of future discoveries and the impact                 
  on producibility.   The feeling is that there will be "a lot                 
  of wildcats drilled . . . in Alaska."                                        
                                                                               
  Ms. Hittle next  spoke to  world liquid productive  capacity                 
  and noted that several things stand out.  The first  is that                 
  from  1994 to 2010 there will be an increase of 14.1 million                 
  barrels a day in  world liquid productive capacity  (from 71                 
  mbd to 85).  Most will come in the OPEC gulf--an increase of                 
  13 million barrels  a day.   That demonstrates  the role  of                 
  OPEC, Middle-East gulf  countries.  The remainder of OPEC is                 
  not "going to do much."  There will only be minor  increases                 
  from   Indonesia,  Nigeria,   Venezuela,   etc.     Non-OPEC                 
  production peaks in  the year 2000  at 40.7 (an increase  of                 
  1.2 mbd from 1994).  It  then commences a minor decline into                 
  the year 2010.   That means a  much larger role for  OPEC as                 
  time moves beyond the end of this decade.  Non-OPEC capacity                 
  outside the United States and former Soviet Union, increases                 
  to the year 2000,  but declines will begin after  that time.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Most of that will  come in the North Sea,  Brazil, Colombia,                 
  Australia, and Vietnam as follows:                                           
                                                                               
       The North Sea                 1 million barrels a day                   
       Brazil and Colombia           300,000     to    400,000                 
  barrels a day                                                                
       Australia and Vietnam         200,000 barrels a day                     
                                                                               
  Speaking  to  production in  the  United States,  Ms. Hittle                 
  noted a decline  from 1995 to  2010.  However, decline  will                 
  moderate from 1997 to 2000 due  to the "flexure trend in the                 
  Gulf of Mexico."  Approximately  300,000 barrels a day  will                 
  come on from discovered fields in  the flexure trend in that                 
  time period.   Decline is flat from 2000  to 2005 because of                 
  that production  and, more  importantly, a  net increase  of                 
  North  Slope  production  of  400,000  barrels a  day.    An                 
  additional 100,000 barrels a day will come on line from off-                 
  shore Southern California.  After the year 2005, the decline                 
  resumes.  Throughout  the period,  production in Texas,  the                 
  mid continent, and the Rockies will  be declining.  The only                 
  variance  will  come  from  the   flexure  trend,  off-shore                 
  California, and the North Slope.                                             
                                                                               
  Providing numbers  in support  of the  foregoing trend,  Ms.                 
  Hittle cited the following:                                                  
                                                                               
       1994 to 2000        -     Total  U.S.  production  will                 
  fall                                                                         
                                 from 6.8 mbd to 5.9.                          
                                                                               
       2000 to 2005        -     No decline, 5.9 to 5.8.                       
                                                                               
       2005 to 2010        -     Decline from 5.8 to 5.1.                      
                                                                               
  Looking at Alaska, including Cook Inlet (despite an increase                 
  from 43,000 to 65,000), capacity will be as follows:                         
                                                                               
       1994 to 2002        -      From 1.71 to 1.21                            
       2002 to 2005        -      Increase to 1.73                             
       2005 and beyond     -      Slow decline                                 
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp questioned the increase between 2002 and 2005.                 
  Ms. Hittle explained that the increase  relates to the North                 
  Slope.    She  cautioned  that  the  above  numbers  reflect                 
  "capacity numbers" rather than production  rate.  Output can                 
  vary extensively from  capacity due to  many things.  As  an                 
  example, she cited the impact of weather which, if too cold,                 
  may halt  tanker loading at Valdez.   If the  weather is too                 
  warm, the  efficiency of  the  pipeline is  lowered.   There                 
  could be hookups of new fields, repairs, etc.  The foregoing                 
  can  produce  a variance  of  up  to 100,000  barrels  a day                 
  between production and capacity.  The outlook for productive                 
  capacity  assumes  no  production  from  ANWR.     Cambridge                 
  includes 70,000  barrels  of NGLs  a  day, spiked  into  the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  pipeline feed.                                                               
                                                                               
  Ms. Hittle next noted four  components of North-Slope Alaska                 
  liquid productive capacity (p. 35 of the handout):                           
                                                                               
       1.   The Prudhoe  Bay  field  which  is  in  continuous                 
  decline.                                                                     
                                                                               
       2.   Fields  producing  or under  development (Kuparuk,                 
  Lisburne,           Milne Point, etc.).                                      
                                                                               
       3.   Fields not  currently under development.   This is                 
  the area                                                                     
            where growth is  likely to  occur.  Assessment  of                 
            this number  is based  on BP's recent,  aggressive                 
            exploration and production policy.  As an example,                 
            Ms.  Hittle  cited  moves to  acquire  from  other                 
            parties on the North Slope.  That will provide the                 
            foundation for BP  to move forward to  develop the                 
            "string of pearls" fields east of Prudhoe Bay.  If                 
            development is not  forthcoming, numbers shown for                 
            fields not under development would be pushed back.                 
            Attention  should  be paid  to  what BP  does with                 
            Badami, and the North Star complex.  Other players                 
            in the area are also becoming more aggressive.  If                 
            BP develops  Badami, that  will enable  linking of                 
            the string of  pearls fields and cause  fields not                 
            now under development  to start  to contribute  to                 
            productive capacity.                                               
                                                                               
       4.   Future discoveries.  These discovers are not based                 
  on        ANWR but on  the overall level of  exploration and                 
            development in the world today and, in Alaska, the                 
            number  of  wildcats   being  drilled,   appraisal                 
            drilling, the Colville Delta,  and Sourdough/Yukon                 
            Gold.  It is viable to assume there will be future                 
            discoveries.                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger  asked  if one  field dominates  in the  "not                 
  under   development"   category.     Ms.   Hittle  responded                 
  affirmatively, advising  that members  should watch  Badami.                 
  Senator Rieger  then asked  if Badami  would be  the key  to                 
  development or  the largest  producer.   Ms. Hittle  advised                 
  that Badami is  the key to "it all happening,"  but she said                 
  she  did  not know  if it  would  be the  biggest production                 
  field.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger inquired concerning West Sak, asking if it is                 
  also linked to Badami.  Ms. Hittle voiced her  understanding                 
  that  development  of   the  string  of  pearls   fields  is                 
  contingent upon "bringing  up Badami  and then enabling  the                 
  start up."  If BP does not develop Badami, development could                 
  still occur "through other measures."   Badami is the key to                 
  watch.                                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MIKE   GREANY,   Director,  Legislative   Finance  Division,                 
  interjected  that  state  agencies tracking  production  are                 
  monitoring the tie-in between Kuparuk and West Sak with  the                 
  idea that, at some  point, it would be economical to use the                 
  Kuparuk facility  to produce West  Sak.  Ms.  Hittle advised                 
  that she did not have sufficient details regarding West Sak.                 
  She  said  she  would  inquire  and  return  information  to                 
  committee.  Senator Rieger asked how much of the approximate                 
  production of 700,000 barrels a day  relates to West Sak and                 
  other development fields.  Ms. Hittle said she would provide                 
  a breakdown.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Directing attention  to the final  page of the  handout, Ms.                 
  Hittle spoke  to the long-term  outlook for ANS  under three                 
  different   price   scenarios.     Cambridge   is  currently                 
  reassessing  the   scenarios.    The  real   price  increase                 
  evidenced  by  the  Global Dawn  scenario  might  be lowered                 
  somewhat after the year 2000, but the basic trend remains in                 
  tact.    Current  signposts indicate  that  the  Global Dawn                 
  scenario  is now in  effect.  However,  changes in signposts                 
  could indicate that  the trend is  slipping into one of  the                 
  other scenarios.  As an example, Ms. Hittle explained that a                 
  signpost indicating "much less  world economic growth" could                 
  signal the Pax Faustian scenario.  A signpost for the Gilded                 
  Cage  scenario would  be a decision  by OPEC to  take a more                 
  aggressive stance to immediately increase  the price of oil.                 
  The  eventual effect of that  scenario would cause prices to                 
  move down because of the impact on demand.                                   
                                                                               
  The Global Dawn scenario reflects  what is happening today--                 
  cooperation, almost,  between producers  and consumers,  the                 
  rule of the market over politics,  economics, a wait and see                 
  attitude within OPEC, and good economic  growth.  Beyond the                 
  year 2000, there  is increasing reliance on  OPEC productive                 
  capacity  and  less  reliance   on  increases  in   non-OPEC                 
  production.  An  assessment of  demand and supply  indicates                 
  there will be enough oil, but  prices will start to "tighten                 
  up" a bit.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Ms. Hittle  pointed to page 38, referenced the assessment of                 
  world oil  demand through  the year  2010, and  specifically                 
  noted demand of 78 million barrels  a day.  Of relevance  to                 
  the United States  is the fact  that 65.7% of future  demand                 
  growth  through the year  2005 will be  concentrated in Asia                 
  (handout, page 39).                                                          
                                                                               
  Directing attention to the page 42 graphic  entitled "PADD V                 
  Crude Productive Capacity and Demand,"  Ms. Hittle explained                 
  that PADD V incorporates Alaska and the West Coast.  Between                 
  1996 and 1997, productive capacity will be less than demand,                 
  and  imports  into PADD  V will  increase  in order  to meet                 
  refinery demand.   If the  ban on export  of ANS is  lifted,                 
  that action should have a positive impact on price.                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp voiced his understanding  that a comparison of                 
  comments by Cambridge several years ago with  those of today                 
  indicates  that elements  impacting  price and  supply  have                 
  narrowed.  Comments concerning production from Russia appear                 
  more pessimistic   for the  next ten  to fifteen years.   He                 
  then  inquired  concerning the  impact  of recent  events in                 
  Libya and  internal strife in  Algeria.  Ms.  Hittle advised                 
  that  Algeria is producing  approximately 800,000  barrels a                 
  day,  including condensates.    She  concurred that  Algeria                 
  raises potential for  price instability.  ARCO  has had four                 
  major finds  in the area in the last  year.  Algeria has now                 
  stabilized its  productive capacity.    Increases should  be                 
  evident next year.                                                           
                                                                               
  Senator  Sharp  next  voiced  his  understanding   that  new                 
  discoveries in the North Sea are  expected to taper off, and                 
  older fields will be reduced in capacity.  He then suggested                 
  that world recovery and maintenance of OPEC quotas appear to                 
  indicate price stability.  The Senator advised of his belief                 
  that Iraq would reenter the market  in the next year or  two                 
  and voiced his recollection  of earlier comments  indicating                 
  that market reentry would be tempered.  Ms. Hittle explained                 
  that  Cambridge  anticipates  FSU  production,  as  well  as                 
  demand, to decline  to 4.3  million barrels a  day by  1997.                 
  There will then be a slow recovery of productive capacity to                 
  the  year 2000.  Most of the  increase will occur after that                 
  time.   Between 2000 and  2010, FSU productive capacity will                 
  increase 3.5 million barrels a  day.  That reflects eventual                 
  progress in the  Caspian Sea.   One of the most  significant                 
  changes in the  productive capacity outlook is  "pushing the                 
  FSU back."                                                                   
                                                                               
  At the same time,  there have been sharp increases  from the                 
  North Sea.   However, non-OPEC  production will peak  in the                 
  year 2000.   Non-OPEC productive net  gain will only be  0.4                 
  million barrels a day next year.  That is in contrast to 0.8                 
  million this year.                                                           
                                                                               
  Speaking to price stability and reentry of Iraq, Ms.  Hittle                 
  stressed that even though the outlook is stable on an annual                 
  average basis, within  the year there  is "lots of room  for                 
  price instability, uncertainty, and volatility."  Much of it                 
  will be driven by the Iraq factor, but it will not be to the                 
  extent previously seen.  The effect in demand increases over                 
  time will be less.                                                           
                                                                               
  Referencing  Libya  and Algeria,  Ms.  Hittle said  that the                 
  United  States  has raised  the  ante by  requesting  an oil                 
  embargo from its  allies.  It will not succeed.   There will                 
  be no acceptance  of that  request since it  would have  too                 
  much impact in  Europe.  Reality  says it will not  succeed.                 
  While this could have had an impact on market psychology two                 
  years ago, there have been so  many threats of a Libyan  oil                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  embargo that the psychology of the market is not reacting to                 
  it as much as  it otherwise might.  Ms.  Hittle acknowledged                 
  that  if the "rhetoric  really ratchets up,"  there could be                 
  impact.  It is something to watch.  She reiterated her prior                 
  statement that, in reality,  the embargo is not expected  to                 
  be imposed.                                                                  
                                                                               
  The  situation  in  Algeria has  worsened  and  is unstable.                 
  However, to date, there have been no problems for operators.                 
  Islamic  guerrillas have  avoided oil  facilities which  are                 
  located in out-of-the-way places.   While there is potential                 
  for  instability,  production  and  exports  have  not  been                 
  impacted.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Ms.  Hittle  further  advised  of movement  by  a  group  in                 
  Washington to press for an embargo against Nigerian exports.                 
  That would be difficult to impose.  This is also a situation                 
  to  monitor due to  problems within the  political regime in                 
  Nigeria.  Ms.  Hittle referenced the  strike last year,  and                 
  the fact  that, this  year, joint  venture partners  are not                 
  spending moneys needed to maintain productive capacity.  For                 
  that reason,  Nigerian production  is not "increasing  much,                 
  this year. . . ."                                                            
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp asked if  Iran is "totally back in  the market                 
  now."  Ms. Hittle responded negatively, indicating that Iran                 
  is having problems maintaining productive  capacity.  In one                 
  month there is  a surge up to  quota, and the next  month it                 
  falls back.  This difficulty  in keeping production at quota                 
  comes at  a time when Iran would  prefer to cheat because of                 
  revenue problems.  The country  needs western investment for                 
  needed work on its fields.  The regime is paralyzed over the                 
  issue of whether  or not to  undertake and how to  structure                 
  deals  with  western firms.   There  was not  full agreement                 
  within the  regime  on  the  CONOCO agreement.    While  the                 
  agreement was made, it was a  contentious issue. There is no                 
  green light for these types of agreements.                                   
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger pointed to the long-term outlook whereby OPEC                 
  continues to add  production capacity to  the year 2010  and                 
  asked if OPEC would  be meaningfully into reserves or  could                 
  continue to increase production.   Ms. Hittle explained that                 
  projections  are  based  on the  assumption  that investment                 
  occurs.  There is  no foregone conclusion that OPEC  will be                 
  at projected rates by  2010.  After that time,  the increase                 
  OPEC might be  able to achieve  becomes much more  nebulous.                 
  Cambridge  knows  OPEC  could  reach  projections  to  2010,                 
  "pretty much on the basis of what we have."  It is much more                 
  unknown whether or  not there could  be increases after  the                 
  year 2010.  Assuming that demand will increase, the question                 
  is  "Will  there  be  enough oil?"    Senator  Rieger  again                 
  inquired concerning the portion of  reserves that would have                 
  been   produced  by  that  time.     Ms.  Hittle  said  that                 
  projections assume  an increase  in reserves.   She  further                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  advised  that  she  could  not  presently  say  where  those                 
  reserves would be.  Speaking to the extent to which reserves                 
  may have been drawn down, Ms.  Hittle advised she would have                 
  to calculate "what the  reserve level will be as  opposed to                 
  the productive capacity."  She said she would undertake that                 
  calculation.                                                                 
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 9:45 a.m.                         
                                                                               

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